Who was Mary A Warren in the 1939 register?

This is a small mystery I’ve finally untangled last few days, and I wasn’t initially going to write about it as I haven’t even mentioned the Warren line yet… but there are so many unknowns there, it may take me a while.

In brief – Edward Albert Warren was my children’s 3 times great-grandfather. He was born on 15 December 1865 in Sunderland, son of Isiah (William) Warren and Mary Ann Akehurst, and he was a mariner. Edward Albert married Elizabeth Jane White in 1888 in Sunderland, and they got divorced in 1900 as his wife has a child with another man (she subsequently married him in 1902). I still don’t know what happened to two of their children – their daughters Ruth Elizabeth Mary and Eva, as well as what happened to his wife and her two other daughters – Beatrice Mabel and Violet after 1901.

Their son Leopld Rossine Warren (b.1890) was also a mariner and married Josephine Gallagher in 1914 in Derry. Leopold and Josephine are my children’s great-great-grandparents.

Edward Albert and Elizabeht Jane’s marriage and divorce is a very sad story, and will be a topic of another post…

I know very litte about Edward Albert’s life after 1901 – he is listed as boarderer in 1911 census at St. Mark’s Street, Sunderland, and working as a ship steward. He also appears on number of ship manufests in 1919 and 1920 as a ship stewart on the ship Stanmore.

When 1939 register was released last year I found him living at 3 Trafalgan Square, which was a retirement home for seamen, and he was listed with a mystery woman – Mary A Warren, born 1893. It took me a while to find out who Mary A was! 1939_EdwardAlbertWarren

Looking at her age, she was as old as Edward Albert’s children but I couldn’t find another daughter for him under this name. Plus they were both listed married. She couldn’t have been his daughter-in-law as he only had one son Leopold, and he was already married to Josephine (living in Derry in 1939). Which left the obvious choice of Mary A being his much younger wife.

It took a bit of searching, but it was her obituary in 1954 that provided the clue, and Mary A’s maiden name – Stewart.

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I’m waiting to get the original marriage certificate, but looks like Mary A Stewart and Edward Albert Warren married in 1923 in West Derby, Lancashire – she was 30, he was 58, and they were together until his death in 1941 (she died thirteen years later in 1954).

I’m still not sure why did they not marry in Sunderland as both of them were from there. This is still a part of the puzzle left to be solved (as well as finding out what happened to Edward Albert’s two daughters and the two girls his wife had)

For reference – below is the pedigree chart including Edward Albert Warren:

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The SWEENY family in Derry

Catherine Sweeny (sometimes spelt Sweeney) is my husband’s 3-times great-grandmother. Catherine was born in Derry around 1839, widowed young from her first marriage (no children) and re-married again to Thomas Cooper, a tinsmith, in 1865 in Liverpool. They lived for number of years afterwards in Glasgow, and returned to Derry sometime in the period 1878-1882.

Catherine’s father was Miles Sweeny, engineer, who died in 1864, the year prior to her second marriage.

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I was lucky to find Miles’ death certificate as civil records only started in 1864! Miles died in 1864 from asthma, such an unfortunate cause of death which in those days was obviously not treatable.

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1864, death Miles Sweeny, 55 years old, Granny lane

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Derry City Cemetery provided more clues about Catherine’s mother and siblings. I had requested information about Catherine’s grave, and they sent me a list of ALL people buried there!

Derry City Cemetery, Grave No CA170 – Proprietor JAMES HAGAN THE ROCK

 (1) Mary Hagan, The Rock Died 23/9/1867 – Aged 28yrs Parents: Miles and Anne Sweeney

(2) Joesph Sweeney, Fountain St Died 10/5/1870 Aged 1 day – Parents: Denis and Jane Sweeney

(3) Patrick Sweeney Fountain Street, Died 15/3/1871 Aged 10 days, Parents: Denis and Jane Sweeney

(4) Susan Strain, Creggan St, Died 14/6/1878 – Aged 75 yrs Parents: not listed

(5) Anne Sweeney, 2 Sloans Tce Born Raphoe Died 21/1/1881 – Aged 56yrs Parents: Miles and Anne Sweeney

(6) Miles Cooper 28 Bridge St, Born Glasgow Died 19/12/1882 – Aged 4 yrs Parents Thomas and Catherine Cooper

(7) Catherine Cooper 14 Bridge St Died 21/2/1904 – Aged 61yrs Parents: Miles and Anne Sweeney

(8) MaryAnn Sweeney, 8 Mountjoy St Died 12/10/1913 49yrs Parents: James and Mary McGlinchey

(9) Margaret Kyle, 21 The Rock Died 15/7/1917 2yrs Parents: Robert and Annie Kyle

I haven’t been able to find a birth record for Catherine as she was born too early for a civil record, and the old Catholic baptisms for Derry city don’t cover this particular year (however as we’ll see later it’s possible she was born outside Derry). According the above her mother is Anne.

While there are a number of Sweeny families in Derry, I’ve only found one Miles Sweeeny, who was an engineer, and he was married to Ann Gorman.

The cemetery record above lists few other likely siblings for Catherine.

(1) Mary Hagan, The Rock Died 23/9/1867 – Aged 28yrs Parents: Miles and Anne Sweeney

Mary (abt 1839 – 1867) seems to be Catherine’s sister, married to John Hagan who is the proprietor listed on this grave plot.

(2) and (3) – Joseph and Patrick Sweeny are the young sons of Denis and Jane Sweeny. Denis and Jane were married in 1867, Denis’ father is Miles Sweeny, an engineer.

I have not found how (4) Susan Strain is related to the family yet.

(5) Anne Sweeney, 2 Sloans Tce Born Raphoe Died 21/1/1881 – Aged 56yrs Parents: Miles and Anne Sweeney: I’m not sure if this is a sister or a sister-in-law yet, there seems to be a mistake in one of the records. The original death record states Anne was a widow, and the informant was her son Miles Sweeny. I’m undecided for now.

(6) and (7) are Catherine and her youngest son, who died age 4.

(8) MaryAnn Sweeney is the wife of Miles Sweeny (b. abt 1855) Miles Sweeny and Mary McGlinchy were married in 1882 in Derry city, Miles was an engine driver,  son of Miles Sweeny, factory manager.

Miles and MaryAnn were living in Derry in 1911 and had just moved into the area from Urbalshinny, Donegal couple of years prior. All their children apart from the youngest were born in Donegal. Miles reported he was born in Derry city in 1901 census, and Co.Donegal in 1911 census. I’ve found a baptism for Miles Sweeny 20 May 1852 at St Columb’s, Derry city and his parents were Miles Sweeny and Ann Gorman. Looks like GORMAN is the maiden name of Catherine’s mother!

There are few more children born to Ann Gorman and Miles Sweeny, and baptised in St Columb’s – Brigit (1842), Agnes (1846), Myles (1852), James (1857 – this one is a bit hard to read).

There is also a son Alexander (b abt.1836) who married Elizabeth Doherty in 1867, and marriage certificate lists him as a son of Miles Sweeny, an engine fitter.

I have traced numerous Sweeny families in Derry, and have eliminated some as likely unrelated. There are also many Sweeny families as Donegal who I’m not sure if are related to our Miles Sweeny – was he originally from Derry city,  was he from Donegal, or was he from somewhere else completely different!

I’ve included a diagram, this is still a work in progress and quite likely to be more siblings out there!Sweeny_diagram_Apr2017

PS The last little girl buried in that family plot – (9) Margaret Kyle was the daughter of Annie Sweeny, grand-daughter of Miles Sweeny and great-grand-daugher of Miles Sweeny and Ann Gorman. She died just a month before her 2nd birthday from tuberculous meningitis.

Also, the name Miles and Myles seems to have been used interchangably in the records, and same with Sweeny and Sweeney.

Catherine SWEENY and Thomas COOPER

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SWEENY-COOPER chart – Click on the image for a larger size

Catherine Sweeny and Thomas Cooper are my children’s 3 times great-grandparents. They were married on 12th January 1865 in West Derby, Liverpool in St Patrick’s chapel, Toxteth park.

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St. Patrick’s Chapel, image source: Wikipedia – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_PAtrick%27s_Church,_Liverpool

I’m not sure when and why Thomas and Catherine had moved to Liverpool as both of were born in Derry. According to their marriage certificate Thomas was a 26 year old tinsmith, son of Thomas Cooper, blacksmith. Catherine was a 26 year old widow (Catherine had married Hugh Monaghan in 1860 in Derry) and a daughter of Miles Sweeney, who was an engineer and already diseased. Thomas was a Presbyterian, but they were married in a Catholic church and later on their children were also brought up Catholic.

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1865 Marriage certificate for Catherine (Monaghan) Sweeney and Thomas Cooper

Their first daughter, Elizabeth, was born couple of months later in Liverpool, but by the summer of 1867 the family had moved to Glasgow where their other six children were born – Annie (1867), Catherine (1869), Mary (1871), Thomas Scott (1872), Rebecca (1875) and William Miles (1878).

The father Thomas worked as a tinsmith and the family lived on 42 Alston St in Glasgow. In 1871, according to the census Catherine’s sister Agnes Sweeney was also living with the family and was emplyed as “machine girl”.

The family moved back to Derry sometime between 1878 and 1882 – their youngest son William Miles was born in Glasgow in 1878 and died in Derry in 1882. (They most likely have moved back prior to 1881 as I haven’t been able to find them in the 1881 Scottish census.)

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The family lived on 28 Bridge street for at least a while  (as many other family members!)  – that is the address listed at the death certificate of their son William Miles in 1882, and at the marriage of their daugher Catherine in 1889 to William McCafferty.

In 1901 Thomas and Catherine were living on Harvey Street. Their daughter Catherine and son-in-law William McCafferty were living at the same address, together with two other families.

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1901 census Harvey Street, Derry

Catherine (Sweeny) Cooper died on 21 Feb 1904 at 24 Bridge Street, Derry from pneumonia, age 65.

In 1911 her husband Thomas was living with his daughter Rebecca and his son Thomas and Thomas’ wife Deboragh and their children.

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1911 census, Bridge Street, Derry

Thomas Cooper (Jr) and Deborah Josephine Donaghey had married in 1906 in Derry and had thee children by the time of the census – Thomas (b. 1907), Mary Ann (b. 1908) and John (b.1910), and few more later on – Catherine (b. 1912), James (b.1913) and Henry (b. 1916)

Thomas Cooper (Sr) died in 1914 from cancer – he was 72 years old.

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1914 death Thomas Cooper, 72 years

I’ll write a separate post on the parents and siblings of Thomas Cooper (Sr) and Catherine Sweeny as this one is getting too long.